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some recomendations to increase power
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wagendecke
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Post subject: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:41 am |
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I've been thinking about flashing the ecu, I've been looking to do it at BSH, they have the revo technik, and some guy at a chat room said that giac is better, any takes??
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AudiTechS4
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jeffvr
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:01 am |
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We offer APR
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Diztek
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:50 am |
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basic flash's are pretty much all the same. the real question is what are your future plans in regards to performance. revo is pretty tunable to different types of turbos such as the eliminator kits. giac, i believe can only accommodate a k03,k04 and gt28r and as for apr, Jeff can probably elaborate.
i dont know if anyone local offers giac anymore so i would choose revo or apr because i can get help locally if need be. i think they all have trial versions as well so you can check them both out.
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wagendecke
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:32 pm |
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well, I have a 2001 a4 1.8t, no mods whatsoever, and I dunno, I was thinking about doing that, and then buying an exahust system, downpipe and all, and a break system, then, upgrading the turbo and intercooler
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Diztek
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:37 pm |
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not to much experience on the b5, all of my suggestions were for a b6. id still call both places and see if they can give you a software trial.
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MarkChai
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:01 am |
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1.8t is a 1.8t pretty much. what's good for the the goose is good for the gander.
Stage 1+ (software + bigger injectors) is a good place to start.
You must upgrade you intercooler once temps hit the 80's-90's again, otherwise your car will have no power from taking in the super hot software modified turbo air that your stock intercooler can't cool down.
Another (additional) option for keeping intake temps down is water/methanol injection.
If you still think you need more, THEN, go for the exhaust and a high-flow cat.
THEN, your car will have half as much power as you need to justify upgrading the brakes. So you can save your money there and go for a turbo+software upgrade instead.
At this point you will have plenty of maintenance to worry about, so there will be no money for brakes.
And after that, if you still have any money left from all the extra maintenance it takes to keep up your newly modified car, count yourself lucky and put it in the bank.
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Diztek
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:50 am |
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The m@in difference with the b5 and the b6 is the fuel system. No fuel pressure regulator in the b6.
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nukeduster
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:44 am |
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Does anyone here have a GT28rs equipped car locally? I'm really wanting to feel how those drive before I do any mods to see what direction I want to go.
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Type44
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:43 pm |
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| MarkChai wrote: |
1.8t is a 1.8t pretty much. what's good for the the goose is good for the gander.
Stage 1+ (software + bigger injectors) is a good place to start.
You must upgrade you intercooler once temps hit the 80's-90's again, otherwise your car will have no power from taking in the super hot software modified turbo air that your stock intercooler can't cool down.
Another (additional) option for keeping intake temps down is water/methanol injection.
If you still think you need more, THEN, go for the exhaust and a high-flow cat.
THEN, your car will have half as much power as you need to justify upgrading the brakes. So you can save your money there and go for a turbo+software upgrade instead.
At this point you will have plenty of maintenance to worry about, so there will be no money for brakes.
And after that, if you still have any money left from all the extra maintenance it takes to keep up your newly modified car, count yourself lucky and put it in the bank.
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Ah. Mark, you sound bitter :0
Rich, the only Gt2871 equipped A4 I know of on the forum is Ben (the other Ben, not benko) but his A4 is also a 2.0 so it's not apples to apples.
(Mark, at least nukeduster's car already has Stoptechs up front... saves part of the slippery slope of modification, anyway...)
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MarkChai
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:03 am |
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| Diztek wrote: |
| The m@in difference with the b5 and the b6 is the fuel system. No fuel pressure regulator in the b6. |
That's true. You do need to upgrade that in the B5 when modding.
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nukeduster
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:31 pm |
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So I guess that leads into not enough people locally here probably have experience with con rod failure either do they? It seems to be the weak point in the engine and I personally am aiming for 300whp, but the internet 'experts' on the other websites say the rods will fail.
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Diztek
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:54 pm |
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im sure 034 motorsports has a solution.
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Ben
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:17 pm |
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That seems to be the general consensus is the rods are the weak link in the chain.
Since you stated that your looking for 300 hp, I have to say that after what I have gone through to get my b5 to 300 whp, I would sell the A4 and go buy an S4. So much more potential and a better starting point. Just my opinion after pouring over $10k in mods into my car. Dont get me wrong, I love my car and its current power production, but would do it differently if I could do it again. If your still determined, let me know and I can point you in the right direction for parts and other resources.
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nukeduster
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Post subject: Re: some recomendations to increase power Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:45 am |
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I personally was just planning on basically a gt28rs, 3" intake, eurodyne 630cc software, and methanol injection. Already have a 3" turbo-back exhaust.
The car already has a mod list a arm length long, and the 1.8t has tons of potential. Just more looking for the failure point of the con rods.. I know how to make power  Just want to know the limits of the rods from anyones experience, and if its truly the rods or the rod bolts. Often times its the bolts, and not the actual rod, as least in my experience w/ BMW's and GM vehicles.
I don't buy the "buy an s4" argument. People used to point me and my room mate in the direction of buying an m5 or newer m3 or whatever when building up his car.. and we got 1200hp out of a 1998's 328i block w/ m3 heads. Also got 1440hp out of a 3.2L Cadillac Catera motor, too.. but that's for another day.
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But, if you want to provide links to cheap places to source said parts, I'm all ears... I've found most of the stuff, and cheapest so far I've found was
GT28RS bolt on kit for 1370 shipped
eurodyne 630cc software 725
3" intake 250
injectors: ~200
inline fuel pump: ~200
meth injection TBD
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